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Nose heavy on Approach
Hi Guys,
I am wondering if any of the experienced operators of the MXT-7-180 can offer me some advice. To cut a long story short, my nose feels very heavy. I can’t seem to get below 60knots or the nose wants to drop below the horizon with full flaps and a small bit of nose up trim and me alone or with somebody in the co pilot seat with 1/2 fuel loads. I seem to have less of an issue when I have weight in the back as it’s the only landings I can do without bouncing! Landing light weight keeps leading to bounces as I completely lose elevator authority 55-60knots leading to the plane touching down to fast, bouncing and wanting to nose down. I have been testing power shots to help but I can feel something is not right. The plane is a 1991 and well kept.
I am wondering would I maybe need the rigging checked?
I am reading of Pilots approaching at 55 knots or nose up but I can’t seem to get my plane into that state, I am yet to hear my stall Warner as I can’t get the nose up high enough with no more authority to play with while completing a roundout.
Also, I have no elevator seals, how much of a difference do they make?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I am a new owner with a lot to learn.
I am wondering if any of the experienced operators of the MXT-7-180 can offer me some advice. To cut a long story short, my nose feels very heavy. I can’t seem to get below 60knots or the nose wants to drop below the horizon with full flaps and a small bit of nose up trim and me alone or with somebody in the co pilot seat with 1/2 fuel loads. I seem to have less of an issue when I have weight in the back as it’s the only landings I can do without bouncing! Landing light weight keeps leading to bounces as I completely lose elevator authority 55-60knots leading to the plane touching down to fast, bouncing and wanting to nose down. I have been testing power shots to help but I can feel something is not right. The plane is a 1991 and well kept.
I am wondering would I maybe need the rigging checked?
I am reading of Pilots approaching at 55 knots or nose up but I can’t seem to get my plane into that state, I am yet to hear my stall Warner as I can’t get the nose up high enough with no more authority to play with while completing a roundout.
Also, I have no elevator seals, how much of a difference do they make?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I am a new owner with a lot to learn.
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Shamrock,
I have a few hours in tri gear Maules (180, 235 and 260) as well as M4, M6, M7 with various engines. I will try to help you if i can....
Check the rigging sounds like a good idea for a first step. Duane can guide you thru that.
Question:
1 - What type and HP were you flying most frequently before the Maule?
2 - Does your Maule have vortex generators?
3 - Constant speed prop?
This site has very experienced Maule aviators so dont fret, you’ll get good advice to get sorted.
I have a few hours in tri gear Maules (180, 235 and 260) as well as M4, M6, M7 with various engines. I will try to help you if i can....
Check the rigging sounds like a good idea for a first step. Duane can guide you thru that.
Question:
1 - What type and HP were you flying most frequently before the Maule?
2 - Does your Maule have vortex generators?
3 - Constant speed prop?
This site has very experienced Maule aviators so dont fret, you’ll get good advice to get sorted.
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I notice on my M-4 with a long prop, if I chop the throttle back to idle it is like throwing out an anchor and the nose can feel a little heavy. I can't imagine running out of elevator at the speeds you are quoting though. I bet it will fly like a different plane with the gap seals in place. As hinted, if you don't have VG's, you want them.
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Hi Guys,
Appreciate the assistance.
I checked the elevator today against data kindly sent by Duane. It states elevator should go from 20 degrees down, to 30 degrees up.
On checking mine today, I find mine does the 20 degrees down but only achieves a maximum of 14 degrees up in essence removing some of the elevator I need.
I am going to need to get somebody to come out to figure out what’s wrong. I assume it won’t be rigging if we are missing 16 degrees somewhere? This would add up to why I’m struggling to keep the nose up.
LT, to answer your questions
1: mainly 100hp
2: No
3: Yes
I am also going to order the seals and VG as advised.
Thanks guy ðŸ‘
Appreciate the assistance.
I checked the elevator today against data kindly sent by Duane. It states elevator should go from 20 degrees down, to 30 degrees up.
On checking mine today, I find mine does the 20 degrees down but only achieves a maximum of 14 degrees up in essence removing some of the elevator I need.
I am going to need to get somebody to come out to figure out what’s wrong. I assume it won’t be rigging if we are missing 16 degrees somewhere? This would add up to why I’m struggling to keep the nose up.
LT, to answer your questions
1: mainly 100hp
2: No
3: Yes
I am also going to order the seals and VG as advised.
Thanks guy ðŸ‘
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Only getting 14 degrees sounds like a problem. Check under the panel and make sure the yoke is not catching on something. I talked to a guy that did avionics work one time and he told about flying with an airline pilot that was having a hard time landing a Cessna that he had bought. Turns out that someone had installed radios and not checked to make sure there was enough clearance. The yoke was hitting the mounting tray and only getting half the travel.
Worth taking a look....
Worth taking a look....
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