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Tailbeacon in MXT-7

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 2:20 pm
by DavZeeMXT
Does anyone have any experience installing the tailbeacon
in a MXT-7? My mechanic is saying that it won’t fit in the existing hole
because it’s not deep enough? I’m hoping someone has done an install and knows what’s going on.

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 3:38 pm
by bobguhr
Not a Maule but the same idea. Start with page 3 #97 and read through.
https://www.supercub.org/forum/showthre ... sues/page3

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 3:38 pm
by bobguhr
Not a Maule but the same idea. Start with page 3 #97 and read through.
https://www.supercub.org/forum/showthre ... sues/page3

Posted: Wed May 20, 2020 7:27 pm
by Mog
This seems to be a reoccurring theme. I think most get worried about the beacon touching the fabric. You have to push it in and turn, once it’s turned it will barely touch the fabric of at all. Just make sure the fabric is nice and warm when you install the beacon.

Re: Tailbeacon in MXT-7

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 9:20 pm
by Stinger
DavZeeMXT wrote:Does anyone have any experience installing the tailbeacon
in a MXT-7? My mechanic is saying that it won’t fit in the existing hole
because it’s not deep enough? I’m hoping someone has done an install and knows what’s going on.
I put mine into an MX-7. It fit in the hole fine, but it goes it an a 45 degree angle and then rotates to line up and lock into position. On that rotation is when it hits the fabric inside and you'll see some paint cracking. Like Mog said, you'll be better served if you get it nice and warm before installation (something I didn't do) but once it's in the vertical position it fits just fine.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:22 pm
by Rezrider
Just to refresh this thread. Does the tail beacon fit into and M-5 rudder? I see a new tail beacon X is coming out, wonder if that will fit too.
Looking at ADS-b out options at next annual.
Cheers

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:13 pm
by andy
If you install a TailBeacon, I recommend that you install a ground strap between the airframe tube and the rudder tube. Using the rudder hinges to provide a ground may cause the TailBeacon to reboot in flight or stop operating entirely if there is dirt, grease or poor contact surface alignment. The TailBeacon installation manual alludes to the importance of a good ground on page 29:

3.tailBeacon may be grounded to the aircraft structure via the mounting screws. However, it is recommended to connect the black wire to the battery ground.

It's easier to install a ground strap between the airframe tube and the rudder tube than to fish the black ground wire from the TailBeacon through the tubing inside the fabric. The skyBeacon doesn't have this problem.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:41 pm
by Mog
We have fit one in at least 1 M5. It will pooch out the fabric a bit on almost any model including the M5. But it does not hurt the fabric in anyway.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:32 pm
by Rezrider
Ok good to know, thanks guys.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:59 pm
by DavZeeMXT
I contacted uavionix about the certification for the TailbeaconX. The person I spoke to said that it wouldn’t be soon but sometime in 2021. When asked about the SkybeaconX she said that it would follow after TailbeaconX because it’s technically similar. I’m wanting it because it’s also a transponder that interfaces with the AV-30.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:36 pm
by DavZeeMXT
Good news today from UAvionix. TailbeaconX is FAA certified. Hopefully SkybeaconX will be close behind.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:24 pm
by Mog
Super excited about the tailbeacon and AV-30. Going to save up my pennies for them.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 9:31 am
by krautman67
TailbeaconX, can anyone shed some light on why the M5 and M6 are NOT on the AML for the TailbeaconX STC? …..and the M7 is?
I am unaware of rear nav light installation differences in these aircraft. If it does differ, can we not simply do a minor modification to facilitate a fit, like extending the mounting flange spacer provided by Uavionix? The Canadian ADS-B mandate for flight into Class C airspace goes into effect 2026, just 3 years down the road. The ONLY compliant ADS-B OUT is the Uavionix TailbeaconX. (We need an antenna facing up, since Nav Canada utilizes satellite data transfer) And now, I can’t use that unit since the Maule 5 is not on the AML 😡
I guess I should just play the waiting game, so many new options coming so fast. I would really like to have ADS-B OUT/IN in the same unit, which Uavionix does not currently offer. I prefer to have everything panel mounted, nothing portable.

Carl

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 3:18 pm
by asa
A couple thoughts. The tailbeacon (no X) is substantially smaller than the X. I've had both in hand and I saw no way to get the tailbeacon X into the maule rudder, and mine was uncovered. The steel flange is not large enough to enlarge the hole and the hole is not near big enough. It's actually not just the steel flange, but the structural tubes of the rudder. The adapter you mention would have to completely house the tailbeaconX for it to fit unless you did some welding I think. The tailbeacon (no X) fits fine. I was very motivated to use the X on my M6 but once I had it in hand, I could not see a suitable path forward unfortunately.

As for approval, do Garmin GTX335's have an STC? Does your radio have an STC? Intercom? Stratus transponders? Pretty sure none of them do, only the proper TSO approvals.

uAvionix did the STC simply for marketing. The TSO approvals should allow you to install just like any other transponder which none of them have STC's. They told me they didn't want the maules on the STC because the unit so clearly didn't fit, they didn't want negative reviews when people tried. I didn't realize that the M7 was on there though.

Hope this helps. The normal tailbeacon fits great. Can get pictures if necessary.

Re: Uavionix Tailbeacon....not for M4

Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:15 pm
by krautman67
Thank you ASA,
I was under the impression that ALL nav lights in all light aircraft have been the same since the beginning of time. FALSE!
I took mine apart today to measure everything, it’s exactly like you describe, way too tight, can’t be easily modified. The OD required for the Tailbeacon X is 45.38mm, the M5 rudder nav light OD is only 39.37mm.

I see that the tailbeacon (no x) would probably work, but is not Canadian compliant.

….which reduces my options from one to zero. I will play the waiting game. I recently got a quote (before I realized the compliance issue) for the Garmin 345GTX and GI275 PFD/ADI … $23,500. I will never spend that for a VFR aircraft. Wait for an easier solution for the ADS-B, and put in a GRT MINI EFIS for $1,600. I just don’t care if it’s for certified only.